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snowynight ([personal profile] snowynight) wrote in [community profile] factfinding2012-03-03 03:05 pm

NYPD modern procedue help

Hi! I'm writing a story that involves New York police officers in current time and I would like help to check the fact. 
1. Situation: Two patrol officers answers a call of noise complaint and discovers that murder has taken place inside, with the murder suspect holding a possible murder weapon.  It's possible that there's another living victim in a place they can't see.
I google homicide+regulation and find principles regarding the situation, but I'm not sure I apply the rule right. My officer persuade the murder suspect to put down the weapon, with one distracting her with conversation and the other checking over whether there're living victims and ask for reinforcement. Then the murder suspect's arrested. But should the officer subdue the suspect first after disarming her? Or is there anything I neglect?

2. Situation: The same two police officers are attacked by several gangsters on patrol duty. One of them shoot in the sky to warn them off. No one's hurt. But the gangsters ignore the warning and start the attack. Should the patrol officers ask for reinforcement immediately (In my mind, they're in too much a hurry to do that but I may be very wrong here.) After they subdue the gangsters, do they report the shooting to the superiors and how? I googled combination of NYPD, gun, shooting, rule, policy and regulation but I can't find the information needed. And I'm not sure of the procedures after the arrest.

I'll be grateful if anyone can provide help in either or both questions.
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[personal profile] hradzka 2012-03-03 01:27 pm (UTC)(link)
In situation one, the person holding the weapon is going to be really damn lucky if they don't get shot. If they make a move toward the police, they will be shot, and maybe even if they don't. If the murder weapon is a gun, they almost certainly will be shot if they do not drop the gun *immediately.* As in, given the circumstances, if the person *turns toward* the police while holding the gun, the cops may open fire.

Situation two: nobody does warning shots, ever. If cops are shooting, they are shooting to drop people. Yes, police will ask for reinforcement immediately; they've got radio mikes and will report that officers needs assistance. This is the drop-everything code and cops will swarm to their aid.
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[personal profile] recessional 2012-03-03 05:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, if they're NOT armed, they're idiots for attacking armed police officers, unless they have overwhelming numbers (and even then), and successful gang members tend not to be that kind of stupid. If they have overwhelming numbers, it's moot whether or not they're armed. "Armed" here may include knives, bats, a piece of wood they just picked up, etc - anything other than their own bare hands.

If there's more than two of them, then the cops are going to call for backup for sure. And if the gang is out to kill them (and why else would you attack the police? it's not the kind of thing you do for a lark) there are several gang members dead, rather than just "subdued".

And keep in mind, the gang guys are going to assume they're attacking armed officers - officers are always armed. This makes things like shooting in the sky unnecessary as well as super dangerous: you do something like that to inform people you've got a gun and it's got bullets in it. When dealing with on-duty cops, this is pretty much a given.

The thing to remember is that the first focus is going to be getting everything safe, both for other people and for the officers in question. You get the weapon out of the subject's hands and get the subject subdued and in handcuffs right away because otherwise, the scene isn't safe, and it's not brilliant or effective to look for victims when the subject could go nuts and hack them up. You call for backup immediately because you neither want you to get killed, nor do you want to deal with the mess if some bystander gets killed.

Good luck with your story. :)